Re: anime-int.com's new look


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from Shuichi Koga <SKoga@CS.Washington.EDU>
subject Re: anime-int.com's new look
date 01 May 1999 13:11:05 -0700
Written, or spoken? Japanese the spoken language is very old, well
over 2000 years old. There is some very interesting thought that it is
descended from Altaic languages (where Turkish, Mongolian, and Korean
originate from) with lots of mixtures of Austronesian languages (South
Pacific). I don't know where Chinese the spoken language is believed
to have come from, however.

Japanese the written language is an interesting mish-mash of samplings
of Chinese characters coming through the ages, as well as a native
style (hiragana). The first big wave of Chinese culture (including
language and Buddhism) probably came at the behest of Shotoku Taishi
and others in the Soga clan, approximately during the 6-7th century
AD. My understanding is that the Chinese version was used primarily by
the Buddhist monks and men in the Emperial Court; women primarily used
the hiragana system (the Tale of Genji is written mostly in
hiragana). I vaguely remember reading somewhere that women actually
designed the hiragana system, but I don't remember a source for it.

Anyways, oftentimes, a kanji character has at least two readings, a
native Japanese reading (which could've come that way for any number
of reasons), and multiple Chinese readings, depending on how the
character or idea was spoken in China at certain times during its
history (again, 6-7th century is a good starting point, but there have
been more than a few times when a large influx of Chinese culture was
imported). Is that traditional or simplified Chinese? I have no idea
when Chinese started being delineated as such.

I don't think the Japanese are currently actively acquiring Chinese
characters (usually they occur as a result of direct cultural
interaction between the two countries, and Japan and China aren't
exactly on amicable terms at the moment). Japanese the language has
also underwent a lot of changes for reasons of nationalism (such as
during the late 19th-early 20th century, when there was time when
Japan was doing language-wise something similar to what the French
today are doing), and pragmatism (such as in 1946 and later
(1981?)). The Japanese language currently is definitely importing
extensively from Western cultures (such as "naui" -> Now-ey -> hip,
chic, modern). What they've done with English can sometimes be very,
uh, amusing ^_^.

Anyways, there are an amazing number of references on Japanese the
language and how it's changed over the years. Here are some starting
points:

http://www.llc.washington.edu/uwlanguage/
http://www-japan.mit.edu/index.html

Shuichi

>>>>> "Billy" == Billy Ting <ancintpc@flash.net> writes:

  > [snip]
  > Ok, one final thought.  For those Chinese/Japanese out there who might
  > understand what I'm talking about.  Since Japanese originated from Chinese
  > some of the characters are the same in the Japanese language (hence people
  > like me may be able to read some of the words).  Are the Chinese characters
  > in the Japanese language in simplified style (jieng tee) or traditional
  > style (fang tee)?  I've seen some of the simplified style Chinese
  > characters on the page, does this mean the Japanese are still acquiring
  > Chinese characters into their language even today?  Unfortunately, I think
  > I've confused myself, anybody who may have been able to understand this,
  > and then there are people who have no idea what the hell I'm talking about.

  > -Billy Ting

  >             "A field of ice . . . ice is such a nuisance."
  >                         -Izumi Maki (Nadesico)

  > http://welcome.to/ElHazard || http://welcome.to/TenchiMuyo

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