[tenchi:105852] Re: Re:OVA 19
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from | "True Sheol" <sheol@mail.ev1.net>
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subject | [tenchi:105852] Re: Re:OVA 19
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date | Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:14:37 -0500
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nik wrote:
>Yeah, I appreciate that Kajishima made the doujinshi, the 101,
the artwork and the novels to provide the backstory (as well as
put a couple bucks in his pocket, which is perfectly fine) even if
it was not and probably never will be available to English
speaking fans. What I don't like is the idea that the storytelling
in the animated aspect has to suffer needlessly by inserting
obscure references to Kajishima's other works on Tenchi. Why is
that hard to understand?<
The problem is that you are failing to be pragmatic. The
longer a series, the more outside funds are required to make it
happen. AIC and Kajishima do not have the kind of funds that are
required and when you go to an outside source for more money, that
outside source demands more control and influence. To many
creators, that is counter to their desire to present the story how
they originally intended. That is likely why we ended with GXP,
so that the OVA would remain relatively untouched.
The OVAs are still as such that you don't have to have read
the other material to enjoy, but if you haven't, there's a great
deal more that you have to be willing to accept at face value.
The fact is that written medium was the *one and only* form of
story transmission for the series for about eight years.
>Misaki? Najya/Noike/Kagato? If this stuff is explained later
(even if the answers were alluded to I would be happy, but there's
nothing about the Misaki thing) in the OVA it's cool, but as is I
think it is poor storytelling.<
Again, you are demanding the animated medium to be the one
and only form of transmission. You want eight years of written
material to be presented to you before you take in OVA 3. That is
completely understandable as an English-only fan, but it isn't
realistic give the nature of the Japanese animation industry as
well as the market for licensing foreign books.
>I don't have problem with Tenchi being a god. That is a
reasonable explanation to questions concerning Tenchi and the
events surrounding his life. Tenchi being a god is explained in
the last episode (certainly not in detail, but I'm not sure I'd
even like to see that. Though a little more clarity on that issue
would be good, in my opinion) but there's other things that came
out of left field which defy both logic and conventional
>narrative. Why not just make Amagasaki a god? There is the same
amount of evidence in the OVA suggesting that Amagasaki is a god
as is Misaki (meaning none). You might think that's a bit of an
extreme example, and it is, but I only make it to underscore the
lack of any evidence which could lead a reasonable person to even
entertain the idea that Misaki was a god. It goes beyond a simple
lack of foreshadowing and ventures into the random.<
So, Misaki tossing around Ryouko like a rag doll couldn't
have been construed as foreshadowing, much as I relied upon
Tenchi's obvious superhuman feats to point out how he was
definitely NOT just a normal human? Assuming that the answer was
is "no" or "not much", let's talk about other shockers. So, how
much foreshadowing was there that Ryouko had a mother before
episode six? How much foreshadowing was there that Tenchi could
create his own LHWs? How much foreshadowing was there that
Tsunami and Washuu were sisters with Tokimi? How much
foreshadowing was there that Washuu was a goddess? Not every
aspect of a story must be hinted or foreshadowed. Often, little
is given to enhance its impact... and it can be certainly said
that Misaki's appearance in episode 20 certainly had a strong
impact.
>Interesting. I have always wondered how the name sounded to the
Japanese ear (the kanji as well).<
I understand that it is enunciated the same. In short,
Tenchi's kanji is enunciated as an object or foreign entity,
rather than a Japanese name. This was also strange, as pointed
out by the AIC admin, but not so strange given Kajishima's
tendency to choose obscure or unusual (though legitimate) ways of
enunciating kanji.
>How do you mean?<
If I recall someone's article correctly, Youshou's name
basically means "distant illumination". It was conjectured that
it was Kajshima's way of suggesting that Youshou was lighting the
way to Tenchi.
>Which question?<
[asterisks are mine]
20. Why did Tenchi break the demon's seal in the shrine?
Answer:
His grandfather's fault.
More details ...
He broke the seal out of pure curiosity. "If someone told you
never ever do something, you'd want to do it, wouldn't you?"
(ep.1, Tench) In fact he fell in his grandfather's trap, he made
Tenchi interested in the demon ever since childhood, with help of
Tenchi's mother. He is a tactician (^_^) and knew that Ryoko was
watching Tenchi all the time. Even though Tenchi did not realise
the astral body of Ryoko was watching him (flash back in ep.5),
his grandfather knew. He arranged so that Tenchi would break the
seal and use the Tree to attract Aeka. He felt something special
about Tenchi and wanted him to be Emperor of Jurai in the future.
That's why he gave his master key to Tenchi and told him to fight
against Kagato. But Tenchi won the battle without it in the end.
*Tenchi has more power than his grandfather first thought and he
had to change his plans ...*
>Perhaps I'm remembering this wrong, but didn't he say that the
3rd OVA would reveal Tenchi's choice when he first started working
on it a few years back? I was under the impression that the
higher ups frowned on his desicion to do that and made him change
his mind.<
It was an error in translation/comprehension that was also
emphasized by the person writing the article by bolding it.
Kajishima went out of his way in the same interview to make it
clear that Tenchi made a choice at the very beginning (OVA 1).
Yet, the only clear message from OVA 1 and the 101 Q&A is that
Tenchi chose to live with all of the girls and would never forsake
any of them.
>I hope not. That feels cheap and greasy, like a cop out<
That's a strange way of looking at it. Really, Kajishima
seems to be the only major creator to actually fully execute the
multi-partner relationship. All others use most of the romantic
contenders (usually girls) as eye-candy, focus on one or two
candidates, and then, by process of elimination, brings the story
back to a conventional boy-girl love story, as if the others
really didn't mean anything to the protagonist (usually a boy).
Giving in to the mainstream approach would be a "cheap and greasy,
like a cop out", don't you think?
Jeff Harris wrote:
>If it's any consolation, I agree %100. I guess if I was K-sensei
and realized that there was a large international contingent
following my works, one willing to pay for all of the material I
produced relevant to my works, I would be including that foreign
contingent in my marketing plans. That he has not says volumes.<
Actually, the U.S. anime market represents such a miniscule
amount of money compared to the Japanese market, who could blame
Japanese creators from focusing on their home market? Really, we
(as in many anime fans) throw a fit if we are paying more than $25
a disc with anything less than 4 episodes and the Japanese fans
regularly shell out $40 a disc with a single episode. A typical
U.S. box set is about $100 or less. The typical Japanese box set
is about $300 on up. The Japanese population is half of the U.S.
population, but most Japanese are comfortable with the usage of
animated and drawn characters in non-children mediums. By
contrast, if you discuss animation with most Americans, they think
of cartoons for children.
So, recognizing the realities of producing for / catering to
a niche audience and that U.S. fans constitute an extremely small
and relatively unprofitable niche, what does that say about U.S.
fans that feel that Japanese creators, publishers, and producers
should pay more attention to them? Until American licensees are
*regularly* willing to put up the cash for producing entire series
*before they are even produced* and generate the kind of revenue
it takes to make it worthwhile for Japanese production companies
and distributors to listen to American fans, it's nothing more
than a self-centered pipe dream. As the saying goes: "Show me the
money!"
>I have had serious problems accepting the entire backstory idea,
as well as Tenchi's multidimensional nature. As has been pointed
out to me, I don't *have* to like it. But I do agree with you
that it is poor storytelling to make each OVA so contingent on
reference material that is assumed to be available for everyone.
Each element should be able to stand on its own merits. I look at
the recent LOTR films as an example of playing to a specific
community; I took my brother (who has never read the books) to see
the middle installment and he was absolutely lost....and I can't
blame him.<
For good or for ill, it is actually Hollywood / Broadway that
has driven creative works to have broad-based appeal. So, rather
than the storyteller to tell his story to those that want to hear
his/her story, the storyteller tells the story that someone thinks
that most of the population wants (that means the typical
moviegoer/showgoer, not the hardcore fan).
Finally, to reiterate the point, there is over eight years of
written material that will probably never ever be animated, but
were made because there was a story to tell even so. It is in
Japanese and it will probably never be translated to English, but
it was intended and accepted as an acceptable medium for those
whom the story was intended.
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