nik wrote:
> --- Mark Clifton <mc35425@appstate.edu> wrote:
> > nik,
> > Why can you just leave things alone, even your reply (to Joshua) was not
> > truethly accaruate by any means.
> 
> feel free to further this claim, in a private message or on the ml, I don't
> care.

Okay, I guess I will prove my point... my reply to your previous message
will be attached at the end of this current message.

> > I do not want a flame ware in the
> > Tenchi ML because they are never fun for the people who just don't give
> > a damn.
> 
> you are now officially guilty of that yourself you big weiner.

And, can you back up this claim?  Or, do you consider this a flame?
 
> >maybe you do
> > not have to just jump in and throw your two cents into the fire.
> > Political flame wars are such a pain on the ML!
> 
> bite me.  If you were sincere of your distaste for needless feuding and
> commentary in
> 
> situations wherin an outsiders opinion was unneccesary you would have sent
> this message
>
> directly to me. You border upon hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy - 1) The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues
that one does not hold or possess; falseness. 2) An act or instance of
such falseness. 

Reading the definition (thanks to dictionary.com), I ask you this... is
what I have said so far being of falsesness?  The emails to both you and
Joshua were messages to ask nicely not to start something up.  I also
mention that both message had errors, which I held back unless either
questioned it... which you have.

As for outsiders... their are no outsiders in the Tenchi Mailing List. 
Besides, Rep lives in the U.S. anyway and that the base of this ML is
located in Tokyo, Japan.  This ML is shared by many around the world...
some people will have differences in opionion, that's just life.

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nik wrote:
> --- Joshua <jabowles4@insightbb.com> wrote:
> > The reason that we have not removed Saddam from power is that our country
> > has long had a policy of not assassinating or removing foreign leaders.
> 
> .. well, we DO have a history of ATTEMPTING to do so however.  I believe we
> tried to
> 
> bomb Saddam directly in his bunker which was a big part of his decision to
> surrender.
> 
> Castro in the "bay of pigs" incident as well if I'm not mistaken.

During the Gulf War, the U.S. Military admitted it could not
successfully located Saddam, thus killing him in the field was not
possible.  Also at that time the Military didn't have bombs that could
penatrate bunkers... but after the Gulf War, they have developed bombs
called bunker busters, which were used during the Afghan campaign.  If a
war breaks out with Iraq again, I am positive they will use'em at all
possible locations imagionable.

Next, the "Bay of Pigs" incident was not a assassination attempt, it was
an attempt to retake Cuba by former Cuban Nationals who were trained by
the CIA.  The invasion failed because the United States backed up at the
last second on the attack, failing to give backup and air support. 
However, their have been attempts at Castro's life by the CIA between
the late 1950s through early '60s; one famous incident was where the CIA
put posion in a chocolate milkshake for Castro... it however failed
since Castro survived it.  By the mid-'60s, the United States agreed to
not support Assassinations, which included a law.  The law still exist
today, however current government officials believe we shouldn't have
that law anymore, especially for people like Saddam.  But when you are
in a War, attacks are not considered assassinations, they are considered
casulaties of war.

> > Also, we as a country do care about the opinions of the rest of the world
> 
> nah, not really.  Only when we need to.  And a good thing too, as I
> personally don't like
> 
> their opinions anyway.

A gross assumption on your part.  The United States does care about
opionions of other nations, if it did not then we wouldn't be trying to
build a coalition.  Also, the United States doesn't want to be seen as
big bully, thus support is key.

> > and we would have been hard pressed to get the Saudis and the French and
> > Russian people to agree that Saddam needed to be removed.
> 
> a good example of my last statement.

No, your last statement wasn't good enough.  It is important to get the
Saudis, French and Russians along.  The Saudis because we have military
bases on their soil and must get their approval to use them in that type
of operation.  The French because they are a member of NATO and has
currently blocked a request from Turkey to send equipment and troops to
help secure the Turkey-Iraq border.  And Russia, because simply they are
still regarded as a strong regional power that has some influence with
the smaller nations around them.
 
> > Now please if you are going to make a response, know what the fuck you are
> > talking about and keep the bullshit political garbage that you posted off
> > the goddamn Tenchi mailing list.
> 
> calm down my friend, you are now equally as guilty of that crime yourself.
> Please

Well, that's true...  ^^;  As for me though, I'm not making any
political statement here, just explaining the issues.
 
> remember that stupid people like Replicant (I'm just kidding rep) are
> entitled to their

Rep really isn't stupid, he just believes in different things.  The rest
of your email isn't worth talking about since you are simply agreeing,
yet annoyed, with Joshua.  Hope this all helps... ^^;

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