Message-ID: <20050407214714.73620.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: nik To: tenchi@usagi.org In-Reply-To: <200504070038.AA16122084@mail.ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [tenchi:105858] Re: Re:OVA 19 Reply-To: tenchi@gold.win.jp ML-Count: 105858 Precedence: bulk --- True Sheol wrote: > Reply at end. > >> >> <> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > There's an old saying: "You can't please everyone." The > event with Misaki is meant to be a surprise. It's a very poorly executed surprise. A surprise has purpose and effect. The audience has no way to judge either in the episode. > Just how are you supposed to hint at something > like that in a manner that will be apparent to someone who has > only watched the animation without completely making it glaringly > obvious to someone that has read the other material? You see, > I'll have to admit something... I liked being caught off-guard by > the incident with Misaki. It and the time-travel incident with > Kagato was just about the only things that I hadn't considered as > a possibility. It was *refreshing* to have that happen. I like surprises too. But I don't see why Kajishima chose to give a surprise without sense or explanation. I would liken it to a joke without a punchline. > >Honestly, I find that argument to be absurd. Am I also supposed > to believe that Ryoko's eyes bulge out to the size of dinner > plates? Is it not far more likely that the Misaki/Roko scene was > done as a gag? If you really wish to go through with that logic > (and I hope not, because this thread would go on forever) you > could be explaining a lot of things which most people would > consider to be gags. For instance- why would it be hard to > beleive that Misaki is not as strong as Yosho, who took Ryoko's > punch no problem in episode 3? Why does Taro give Ryoko so much > trouble, etc. Al this begs the question of how a gag (one of many > similar gags recurring throughout the series) is supposed to > indicate to us in any way that Misaki is not only a super-being, > but an EVIL high-dimensional Goddess? Is that really a reasonable > conclusion to make? It is not.< > > Interestingly enough, claims that what Tenchi did were gags > or visual exaggerations were precisely the counterarguments made > against my Tenchi-kami theory. The heart of the matter is that > given hints in the other mediums, I could firmly conclude that > Tenchi's actions weren't gags or exaggeration. The same applied > to Misaki and Washuu tossing Ryouko around. At the time, there > was no clear hint in the animated medium that body reinforcement > was SOP in the Galaxy Academy or that Misaki really was an > incredibly strong individual, even for a Juraian. I still find the idea that the joke from episode 13 had any meaning other than a humorous one to be absurd. > >That has nothing to do with my complaint. Ryoko's parentage is > explained quite well in that very same scene. Misaki is not > explained in the entire episode. Your other examples are also > insufficient because either A.) They are foreshadowed, even if the > entire picture is not shown (might I mention that some of the > examples you chose were quite well foreshadowed in my opinion.), > or B.) The lack of foreshadowing follows traditional storytelling.< > > Ryouko's parentage is introduced midway through the fifth > episode. There is no such luck with Misaki as she appears near > the end of the episode when things are moving nonstop to the > conclusion. I don't feel that that is a valid excuse. Perhaps Kajishima will explain that in the next episodes, but until then it makes for a very poor presentation. > >Not particularly. I find it a cop out that Kajishima would not > risk telling a possibly unfavorable pairing (for whatever > reason). It seems indecisive, and unrealistic (not to mention > chauvinistic by modern standards).< > > Re: "unfavorable pairing" > Unlike Hayashi, Kajishima never had a clear favorite (though > I suspect that he's leaned towards the Choushin). As he's clearly > stated, they are *all* 'ideal girls'. > > Re: "indecisive" > It seems completely clear to me that it isn't indecisive... > Tenchi doesn't percieve the girls in 'that way' and prefers > something like a family. Lo' and behond, that's what it turned > into. That seems pretty decisive. > > Re: "unrealistic" > ...And having an alien grandfather, hyperdimensional powers, > and a bevy of attractive female aliens living with you for about > two years is somehow realistic? Yes. It's the simpler aspects of a story which ground unrealistic occurences to reality. It helps to suspend our disbelief while we are watching and makes things like aliens from other worlds and flight and all the other aspects of science fiction. I find it unrealistic. __________________________________________________