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from "Asuka Murase - Julia Touga - Houki You - Kaori Miki - Tadori Midorikawa - Neora Seishuku - Kimi Nee" <vegeta_andrea@entelchile.net>
subject Arf....
date Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:19:58 -0300
Goof afternoon!!!

I'm so lazy... I should be in my University, in my English class... ^_^UUU But it's

too bored so i decided to come back and sleep or write some mails.. ^_^U

Ok. I have reads your answers and i'm going to reply what i can (i don't have too

much time to reply)... And i'll try to be short and concise. ^_^ Is one of my
defects: I CAN'T WRITE SHORT MAILS... But, i'll try., I promise. ^_^&


#### JOE PETROW ####
Hi! ^_^



#Good evening (by Chilean time).

Hi again. ^_^






#Your English is fine, but there are
many of us who have a hard time reading messages with more than 72
columns.  So keeping your lines shorter will make them easier to read
to go along with your skillful English.

Ok... When i read this i thought: "Gosh... He hates me". ^^U But i guess that you

have right. I'm conscious that i write too long, but i don't know... I can't write
in
any other way. :P But, don't worry. I'll try to be short, ^^U Sorry if you get bored

with my firt e-mail or if you lost too much time reading me. ^_^U And, of course,

ARIGATO for think that my english is fine. ^_^U










#This is something I've always wondered about.  How does one find out
about anime and seiyuu in a place like Chile?  Sure, everyone in the
world can learn a lot from Hitoshi's site, but there has to be some
initial exposure to drive you to it.  I guess it's the University...
do a lot of people study Japanese there?

No. In fact, almost NOBODY study japanese... In my country there is only ONE
University that offers a career called "English-Japanese-German Translation" and it's

in the capital, Santiago de Chile. Beside of that, if you want to learn japanese you

can't do it in any places, because there's no academys or something like that. If
you
have a japanese friend, that's the better way to learn (but i don't have anybody ^^).

In the Us you can't learn nothign and there is no japanese students or something...

NOTHING!!!! I guess that the people know about Japan and it's culture or language

only if it's an "otaku", and you start been fan of Dragon Ball or Saint Seiya... Then

you know some other fans, they have friends, and those friends have one friend who

knows japanese. Something like that. In my case, i'm so kind of antisocial... ^^ I

don't have too much friends and i don't have any contacts to meet more people, so...

I live thanks to the Internet. ^_^ But the fanatism starts when you see on TV some

series (Dragon Ball, specially, introduces in this country the manga and anime) and,

from that point, you start meeting people, making contacts, and all that things. ^_^

It's like a "friendship chain". ^.^









#If you can read and write a little bit of Japanese, the Amazon Japan
site at http://www.amazon.co.jp is a great way to order books and
magazines.  263 matches on the word "seiyuu" alone, with matches for
just about every one of the favorite seiyuu you list below.

WOW! Unfortunately, i don't know a word of japanese. :P Besides how to say "Hi" and

"Good bye", nothing else. But, anyway, THANK YOU because i can go and just check...

^_^ Even when i don't have the money to buy nothing (except fotocopies of notes to
my
classes). ^_^ THANKS A LOOOOOOT!!! ^_^








#Regardless of your financial situation, if you are truly a BIG fan
of seiyuu and want to learn more, you must study Japanese

Yes, i know that and i'm trying to find some place or person who can teach me, but
in
the place where i live is very difficult and nobody seems to care about other things

except their own lifes... I have 75 classmates and just ONE is fan like me... And
he
doesn't have anything (except some spanish magazines like Minami or Dokan) so i'm

almost alone... :P Chile is not a very interesting place if you want to be a fan...

Specialy my city: Via del Mar is a touristic place, so everything is oriented to
the
tourist (specialy argentinian tourist) and nothing else... The residents are not
important to the authorities. :P In the WHOLE city there is only ONE store where you

can buy manga but they bring to Via what wasn't sold in Santiago... = Nothing. :P
So
is really hard to find some place where to study japanese. Anyway i have a little

book, called "Despegue en japons", and i'm taking some Internet classes, but i don't

have the time to be 2 or 3 hours a days studing, in a sistematic way, so i don't
learn too much. :P Almost all the languages i can read (not write in, because i'm
not
good in that points) i have learned by myself... But with the japanese this is not

working... _~~~











#Hmmm...I think you're on your own there.  Might have to find some
Japanese Weiss fan sites out there...

Yeah! All my time connected goes to those GREAT seiyuus... *-* I'm always looking
for
sites, news or ANYTHING related to them... ^^ In fact, all the things i know about

them is thanks to the Internet. ^^










#This is a bulletin board with a lot of fan messages related to him:
http://twinkle.wisnet.ne.jp/mikishinichirou/

THANKS!!! I'll go just to see... ^_^ Thanks again. ^_~
*Andrea starts to remember his sweet voice... *-*U*










#That's the one problem with Japanese sites...they are almost entirely
text.  But maybe that's why surfing the net via cell phones is more
popular (and useful) here than elsewhere in the world...

"Cell phones"? Celular phones?










#Oh geez...this is like looking at myself in a timewarp mirror seven
or eight years ago! (^_^;)

*^________^* I hope i can be like you in the future... I want to live in Japan! ^_^U













#I "discovered" anime in 1992 while studying Japanese in college in
America, and seiyuu in 1994.  Made my first pilgrimage to Japan in
1995, saw Hisakawa Aya and many other seiyuu, and was hooked.

In my case, i discovered anime in 1998, by the influence of my best friend (and my

first *and only* not-corresponding-love ~_~) Mirko Mandiche, while i was in my last

school year (called "Cuarto Medio", in Chile). I first saw Dragon Ball and then i

started looking other series... I also saw Saint Seiya. Then my parents bougth me
my
first PC (... well, my "first PC" was an Atari 800XL... Then they bought me this one,

a Compaq Presario, very simple ^^) and then i discovered the Internet and all the

things that can offer... And here i'm. In the case of the seiyuus, i discovered them

just the last year (2000), when i knew "Wei Kreuz" and started investigating it's

origins. ^^. Then i knew Takehito Koyasu and all the other guys, and here i'm: loving

them for ever... _U













#(see http://www.win.ne.jp/~doi/events/ip-95tour.html for a description
of the event, and
http://www.win.ne.jp/doi-bin/ml-archive.pl?ML=seiyuu&Y=1995&M=07&D=14&A=8
for the gory details of my mindset at the time)

Okis. I'll be there tonight (if i can ^^U).












#With luck, I found a job in Tokyo and moved to Japan in summer of 1996.
For about a year and a half I traveled the country, actually getting to
speak with Aya several times (she almost became a fan of me at one
point), later moving on to Toyoshima Machiko.  A series of events in
late February 1998 led to my giving up the seiyuu otaku lifestyle, and
today, wife, child, and job assure that I never have time to return to
that lifestyle again.

What a pity... T_T I mean it... I don't know what "events" make you quit that
lifestyle ("colgar los tenis", like we say around here ^^U) but i'm really sorry.
I
guess that this is some kind of "passion" (at least in my case, it is ^_^U) and, if

you have to stop that passion... Uf... That can't be so good, even when you surely

can live with it. :P










#All in all it was a blast, and I'm happy and grateful to have had the
opportunity to do all that.  But you have to realize that it is not a
way of life you can maintain for very long.  Anything more than a couple
of years of hard core fandom and you lose your grip on reality, and your
ability to enjoy a "normal" life.  It is a very high stress, high
maintenance lifestyle, and your body and mind can only hold out for so
long like that before something gives way.

Maybe you have right (in fact, i have hear that phrases A LOT of times, since i'm

"otaku" or a "BIGfan" or whatever, and i guess that they have a lot of reason in some

things) but i guess that, even when is not a healthy way of life, is funny and you

can live together with "normal" people, with some peace inside and around you. I have

experience that in myself... I'm always in "the system", like some call it, and i

have to do a LOT of things that i don't care (politics, sports and other things like

these), but i have to do it to continue with the "normal" life... But it's important

to consider that "normal" is a social concept, it's a concept made it by the same

persons who are living inside a society and, obviously, when somebody established
the
concept couldn't say "The way i live is ANORMAL, so the rest of the world (frikis

like otakus, artists, etc, etc) are the normal ones and i have to be like them". He

(or She, or IT, or whatever ^^U) thinks in the way he (idem) was living and say "This

is the "normal" way to live the life. All the rest of the world, all those who want

to be out of this way, are "anormal"s" and the concept was established. But no for

that we are going to agree with it. I agree that you have to try to ave some limits,

cause if not you will involutionate in some kind of animal with no voice, no ideas

and no interest beside your "passion". But that not means that you have to be in the

NORMAL group. Personaly, i don't want to be in the "normal group" if that means that

i have to be happy going to University and going to partys to drunk me like
idon'tknowwhat or anything. I don't want to be "normal" if i have to be in the
fashion and dress myself like a clown or something... If i have to be "anormal",
"friki" or whatever, just to enjoy good plots, animation, music, just to learn
another *difficult* languages or to have some interior life, i guess that this last

is my option. I guess that if somebody likes this things (seiyuus, manga, anime,
videogames...), specialy if is an occidental person,  is showing a GREAT "MIND
FREEDOM", a different way to see the world and the things that are around you.
Obviously there are some persons who goes to the limits, who transform their life

into a empty life (they don't have friends, don't have life, they don't have
NOTHING), and there are others who are more "moderates" ("moderados"... I don't know

if that's the word ^_^U) but all of them (should i say "us"?) have some different
way
to think and that's a very important think in this world that has SO many wrong
things, bad things that have to change. I guess that is this groups of "anormal"
people, who is the one with the power to "revolutionate the world" (like some
characters in Shojo Kakumei Utena, would say ^^U). Don't you think?


[Mental note: GOSH! Did i say "I'll write short!"?? Joe is going to kill me... x_x!

Sorry!!! And sorry if there are too many mistakes, but there are a lot of things
(specific words or verbal tenses or stuff like that) that i didn't knew. ^_^UUUU]












#All I'll say about this is to appeal to your sense of journalism,
and don't judge Japan based on what you read about Hitoshi and his web
site, or what you know about anime
[.................]
Accept that, and you are well on your way to discovering much
about Japan and yourself.
By all means, come to Japan and experience what it has to offer.  But
don't be surprised if your experience is not what you expect it to be.

*freezing* WOW... I don't know what to say (in fact, i know  and i want to say a LOT

of things, but i don't know how to say them in english... :P). I guess you have
right. Japanese (and oriental cultures in general) are very rigid (stiff, strict,

stern?) and they don't care about what the other cultures in the world have to offer

(wel.. that's what all the teachers say, what the books say and what some of the
people i know say... I don't know... I have never been in Japan or in some oriental

country to see those things with my own eyes) but that's what make it more solid.
I'm
sure that Japan is not a Paradise, that is not the Promise Land or something, but,

anyways, is an interesting place, with interesting people and with a way of think

VERY different to the occidental. And that makes it more interesting to me. I don't

want to be a japanse girl, devoted to my husband and all that stuff, but i will be

happy if i could apprehend some of the good things of that AMAZING AND STROG culture.

Obviously, Japan, the country, must have the same troubles that the other countries

in the world have (economy troubles, social troubles, etc, etc, etc), but that rigid

and "squared" culture is what it is even through that things, because is a millenial

way of think, of make the things , and that rigidity is what make it last a long time

and to be still alive... I'm sure that Japan is not perfect, that anime, manga and

seiyuus *Shin'ichirou Miki appears in Andrea's mind... *-*U* are just one part of
the
reality, one of the coin's sides, but i'm also sure that the oriental way of think,

the strong of that oriental way of think and everything that involves, is what makes

Japan a world power in the world (even in the occidental world) and if here, in South

America, we could apprehend just a LITTLE BIT of that strong, rigidity and
everything, belive you me: this wouldn't be a Third World country and a lot of thinks

would work ok.
That's my point of view, anyway, and i'm not trying to convince you, so please don't

misundestand me. I'm giving you my opinion, because i guess that you though that i'm

a little bit dazzle with Japan, the seiyuus and all that stuff, but you can see (or,

at least, imagine) that is not like that. ^____^ (This is equal to "Don't kill me
for
write too much and for contradict you" ^^UUUU)







#And finally, welcome to the ML!  Hopefully your arrival will spring
more discussion, and take the burden off of Hitoshi to provide things
to talk about here.  ^_^

THANK YOU, DEAR!!!! ^________^ I'm very happy to be here and i hope that my BIG
messages don't be so bored for you to read... ^_^ I will try to write when the time

let me do it, so ... I will try to be around here bothering you with my bad english

and my worse ideas... :P And my dazzle about Shin'ichirou Miki. ^^U

A little kiss for you, dear new friend. ^____________^








#### KENJI SHIMIZU ####
Hi! ^_____^




#(wow long name.... when I first got found the message in my
mailbox, I wondered who it was ^_^;)

Well... In fact, are all those names are my nicknames... ^^U I have the custom to

create a girl just for every character that i love... So, since i love a lot of
bishounens, thats the result. ^_^U










#(SNIP---chopped a few lines to make it short)

Okis. ^_^











#I thought some universities and colleges has some kind of
unofficial "animation club" type of organizations?

Nopi, nopi... The Us here, in Chile, don't care about languages or stuff like that...

U You can read what i wrote to Joe (a little bit up in this mail... I have to go

lunch cause i'm starving.. That's why i don't write to you a little more... SORRY!!!

^^U) about this. ^^U
Copy & Past rules... ^^
"No. In fact, almost NOBODY study japanese... In my country there is only ONE
University that offers a career called "English-Japanese-German Translation" and it's

in the capital, Santiago de Chile. Beside of that, if you want to learn japanese you

can't do it in any places, because there's no academys or something like that. If
you
have a japanese friend, that's the better way to learn (but i don't have anybody ^^).

In the Us you can't learn nothign and there is no japanese students or something...

NOTHING!!!! I guess that the people know about Japan and it's culture or language

only if it's an "otaku", and you start been fan of Dragon Ball or Saint Seiya... Then

you know some other fans, they have friends, and those friends have one friend who

knows japanese. Something like that. In my case, i'm so kind of antisocial... ^^ I

don't have too much friends and i don't have any contacts to meet more people, so...

I live thanks to the Internet. ^_^ But the fanatism starts when you see on TV some

series (Dragon Ball, specially, introduces in this country the manga and anime) and,

from that point, you start meeting people, making contacts, and all that things. ^_^

It's like a "friendship chain". ^.^"













#http://www.alc.co.jp
If your PC can handle Japanese fonts, this site is quite useful
as a dictionary Japanese<->English
also, if your PC can handle Japanese fonts, try the URL
below.It's a data base site... (this one is REALLY words only.
Hitoshi's DB is a bit more managa generation user-friendly,
since it's got more pictures on it ^_^;)
http://sdb.noppo.com/

THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! I MEAAAAAAAAAAAAN IIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!! ^____^









#Formal Japanese classes are helpful, but if you want to take a
short cut, conversation classes would be helpful as well.

My trouble is that i have nobody to talk... :P








#Just watching hours of Japanese stuff might also help...
(didn't do me much good when I watched hours of French stuff,
though... my accent is horrile too ;_;

Yeah.. I learned english that way... Thanslating songs, listen to the parlaments of

the subbed movies in the theatre... Stuffs like that. My problem is that almost all

the anime that you can find here is dubbed to ZZZPANISH (the "zzzzzz" if due to the

accent, the remark the "S" too much and it's a comun joke from the americans to
imitate them ^^U) and you can't hear the japanese voices. Mexico is other of the
dubbed from this part of the world (i want to hear Allen's voice in
Escaflowneeeeeeee!!!!! _U).













#But before you can go to events, you have to clear a few
things... like take a day off from work/school, stand in line to
buy a ticket for an event (or go there really early to get a
good seat).... or buy multiple copies of the same CD to get a
ticket, etc... ^_^;;;

I guess that it's a price that i would pay. ^____^










#Have "seiyu" have become more like idols these days...?
(ie: people get hooked immediately, and they chill out as soon
as that idol retire, or the fan gets "too old")

Maybe some people can consider them like idols, but i guess that they are not SO
popular today, at least here in South America. In fact, only a few "otakus" know or

are interested in seiyuus (and i'm one of those ^^U).











#but gamers will always be gamers, and the managa generation will
always be the manga generation...
(that why we got more adult contents manga cranked out ^_^;)

"Gamers"? You mean "video game" related or something? Sorry. ^^U














#(I wish he was even more generous to his server... put in more
HDD ^_^;;) LOL

XDDDDD Sure! XDDD






#Oh yeah... Hitoshi, ADSL lines are even cheaper now... (24 hours
too) I don't know how much you use the connection at home, but
ADSL lines are quite fast. Don't go for the Yuse Co.'s fiber
lines. Their back bone is SLOW ;_;

Gosh! ASDL???? T_________T I have a normal and terrible connection.. T_T







#If you stay long in Japan, before yo notice anything, you'll
notice the high costs of living and the extreemly expensive
social security tax... to make things worse, if you live
downtown, local tax is also high... ;_;
Yes, your wallet will hurt you before anything hurts your
feelings ^_^;;; LOL

Jur, jur... I have a friend and his father is always traveling... And when he was
in
Japan said the same: the high cost of the life was terrible. :P I don't know if
that's true but after reading your words, i guess that he might be right. :P









#Bring lots of cash. Only big places accepts credit cards.
Oh, and good walking shoes... you'll be walking around and
taking public transportation most of the time.
I hope you like over-crowded trains ^_^;

I love the trains, but i have the crowds... ^^U And don't worry. I will remember your

(and Joe's) advice when i go to Japan., ^_~










#South America... gee... har dto find Japanese books there... the
nearest Kinokuniya would be the US...

Yes.. VERY HARD... T__________T

A question... What is "Kinokuniya"?














#(below is the URL to the complete listing, address, phone
number, etc.) for Kinokuniya outside of Japan... I think you
need a credit card to place an order... (wonder how much
shipping would cost...)
http://www.kinokuniya.co.jp/english/html/network4.html
Hope this helped a bit.


THAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSS A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTT!!!!
^_____________^

Kisses for you too. ^x^







#### MIKE L CHNG ####
Hi! ^_^



#I would have never guessed. ^^x;;;

I can imagine it. ^^U South america is not too famous. :P










#Kidding aside, It's near or part of Argentina, if my Geography lessons are
correct...

Yes. Argentina is one of our frontiers (between Argentina and Chile is the Cordillera

de Los Andes)... Is the east's frontier. ^_^ And NO, PLEASEEE!!! We are not part
(fortunately!!!) of Argentina. >_<!








#Yoji...right...? |)

Yessss!!! Can you imagine why my official nickname is "Asuka Murase"???? ^______^UUUU

I love him *.*













#Actually, Andrea's liking of Takehito Koyasu was no real surprise. Last I checked,

he's the most popular Male Seiyuu out there (I could be wrong, though).

Yeah.. I have read some comments about that. He has a lot of rols, too, so he's
easyly known... Or that's what i think. ^^









#Only that she's female. ^^x;;;

Good point. ^___^













#Joe's not kidding. They were actually on a first-name basis. "Ara! Joe-Kun!" was
a
popular gag some of us brought up at the time (Sorry for digging that skeleton out
of
the closet, Joe). All in good fun. (Please, don't punish me with sheep gags.)

Wow! Really? So i guess that Joe should be very succeed with the women... ^______^UU













#Agreed. BEsides, we need someone to become our resident expert on male Seiyuu.

And i'm supposed to be that "expert"? Glup... ^_^UUUU
Anyways, i'm proud of take that responsability and i will do my best. ^_^&







#Andrea, are you game? ^^x;;;

If "i am game"??? Sorry, i don't understand it. What is "game", besides a "juego",
a
thing wich you can play with????? O_o? *Andrea is confused* Sorry, okis? -_-U

Kisses for you too, sir. ^______^



######################################

Ok.  I have done, so i'm going to eat something... I haven't do it since 11旭 am,
and
now are 17:00  pm... -_-!!!

Kisses and see you later, gentlemen!!!!!

Asuka Murase (Youji no koibito)
Julia Touga (Spike no koibito)
Kyurene Garbo (Bolt no kanai)
Houki You (Hotohori no kanai)
Neora Seishuku (Takasugi no koibito)
Kaori Miki (Shin'ichirou no koibito)
Megumi Kudou (Allen no koibito)
Koni Tsunomi (Serge no koibito)
Tadori Midorikawa (Ran no koibito)
Kimi Nee (Rukawa no koibito)
Koori Hoshi (Hyoga no koibito)

[koori no kage - Presidenta y fundadora del Honorable Concejo de Los Arcanos]

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