Jeez, I'm being slinged by a lot of mud here...

Roy Rim <rr568@bard.edu> writes:
>>   Shampoo has been steadily 
>> defeating Mousse since they were kids, so what makes you think that
>> Mousse has stopped trying?  If he could defeat Shampoo, he'd have done
>> it long ago.  I mean, he's practically a slave at the Nekohanten.  Why
>> torture himself like that if he could just defeat Shampoo once and win her
>> love and respect?

>	You're an idiot!!  I'm not holding back anymore, let's face it, 
>man.  Mousse doesn't want to hurt Shampoo, got it!!  WOu ld you try and 
>hurt the one you loved intentionally?  He's in a stupid position, like 

No, but I also don't come from a tribe where the custom is to defeat the
woman you love so she can marry you.  There are all different sorts of
customs.  Just because *you* wouldn't do something doesn't mean that they
wouldn't.

>all the Ranma characters.  Ranma could easily tell Akane he loves her and 
>get Shampoo and Ukyou off his back, 
>but he's too stubborn.  Ranma can tell Akane about Ryouga being a pig and 
>that would be over, but its too late and he likes and respects Ryouga in 
>a strange way.  Same as Mousse, Mousse can easily defeat her but 1) he 
>wants her to love him for him not because he defeated her and 2) he 
>doesn't want to hurt her.

>>   As for comparing things with Ranma, Mousse had to win the first few 
>> fights.  No one wants to read manga where the hero always wins.  But
>> you'll notice that this was (a) the first time Ranma ever fought Mousse
>> and his arsenal of secret weapons and (b) the first time Ranma ever 
>> fought seriously as a female against a male.  Inexperience was with Ranma.
>> There's no way the current Mousse could even approach the current Ranma,
>> unless by surprise, and then Ranma will probably prevail anyway (virtue
>> of being the main character).  In short, I don't think claiming that
>> Mousse basically was winning his first fight with Ranma was fair game
>> for the argument.

>	Listen, I'm speaking from experience here.  THere are plenty of 
>times when Ranma fights Mousse, and let me tell you, its a hell of a 
>battle each time, OK?  And its not even a fair fight cause Shampoo keeps 
>interfering and hurting Mousse more, OK?

I doubt that you have more "experience" in the Ranma universe than I do...

But as far as I can remember (I don't have the manga with me right now),
Ranma vs. Mousse only happened in three storylines: Mousse's introduction
(when Ranma was stuck in girl form), Mousse and the circus (where there was
the danger of Akane getting turned into a duck), Mousse and the power
glasses.  I don't think any of these were advantageous to Ranma, and I
also don't think Shampoo interfered in any of these fights, either.

Ranma even had trouble the first time he fought Kuno Tatewaki, remember?
Now it's just *whap* [flies into air]...

>	Now your other argument that his first fight with Ranma is not 
>fair doesn't matter.  Girl Ranma defeated Shampoo, right?  Mousse and 
>girl Ranma pretty even, no?  (it doesn't matter what it'd be like later 

Mousse eventually lost to girl Ranma, no?  And we don't exactly have 
proof that the first Shampoo/Ranma fight has one-sided, either.

>on in the manga since Shampoo never goes up in strength)  Thus Mousse can 

Wrong.  After Shampoo dicovered Ranma's curse, she went home and trained
with Cologne at Jusenkyo, remember?  The Shampoo of now is definitely 
better than the Shampoo that Ranma defeated in China.

>easily beat Shampoo.  I don't see whats 
>so hard to understand here.  Get over your fascination for that Chinese 
>tart.  And your a) is stupid cause Ranma always wins and your b) is 
>almost just as lame cause you're not trying to argue Ranma vs Mousse and 
>you're wrong too since I just told you above that Mousse has gotten close 
>many a times.
>RR [Being Pissed]

Pretty obvious, since this last section of the text is just a slew of 
insults and unsubstantiated claims.  I don't even like Shampoo, let alone
be fascinated by her.


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