HK

> 
> Arnold (keepin it civil ;):

I try. 

> >of such at all.  The only person who, with 100% accuracy, definitely
> >knows whether or not I noticed it, is me.  Whether or not I notice it is
> >in my mind and my mind only.  No one else knows.  Unless of course I
> >give some sort of indication that I did notice it, that is.  You can't
> >simply assume what is going on in my mind and claim that such an
> >assumption is true.  So you base it on what you _do_ see.  You see a
> >bomb going off in my room and me doing nothing about it.  So you base
> >your reaction around that.  Not your own ideas that you add in yourself,
> >because those ideas weren't part of the situation in the first place.
> 
> Still, if a bomb went on in your room, I'd draw the conclusion that you
> noticed, because that would be true 100 percent of the time with an
> ordinary person, provided it was a decent-sized explosion, and the room
> wasn't abnormally huge.

I think you'd at least ask me about it for confirmation, though.  You
can't tell others what I thought without me acknowleging it.

The ideas quoted above are really the fundamental source of our
discrepancy here in this argument, I think.  So if we can't boil it down
further than that, I think we should declare a truce (at least on this
part of the debate.  the physics involved and what is discussed below is
still open for discussion) since it seems that neither of us will
budge.  What do you think?

> Arnold:
> 
> >> Ranma lives up to one moral:  "Never take a life."  And he never does.
> >> That's his reason for saving Herb, BTW, and everything else he does to
> >> 'help his enemies.'
> >
> >Oh, and one more thing- falling off of cliffs kills people.   You agree
> 
> In the Ranmaverse?  I doubt it.

But I believe Ryouga's toughness is an exception.  Do you think someone
like, say, Kasumi, would have sruvived the fall?  I don't think Ranma
realized it was Ryouga, and even if he did, he wouldn't have assumed
Ryouga is tough enough to survive a fall like that.

> >that Ranma has pretty high regard when it comes to other people's lives
> >here, as in he doesn't want them to die.  If Ranma really did notice
> >Ryouga, do you think he'd simply let him fall to (what Ranma would have
> >thought to be) his death?
> 
> There were springs below, remember.

The springs weren't particularly deep, and any body of water, no matter
how deep, will kill you if you jump into it from a very high place.  You
might as well jump into solid concrete.

> >If he knew he knocked into someone which
> >causes them to plumet off a cliff, I'd think he'd feel somewhat
> >responsible and do something about it.
> 
> He was angry at the time, remember, and it probably only skimmed onto his
> mind, that, 'oh, I just smacked into somebody...ah, who cares' and he paid
> it no attention.

And he heard him falling off a cliff and screaming, yet he chose to
ignore him?

Arnold Kim
declaring a semi-truce