On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Chae An wrote:

> >On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Joey C. Liaw wrote:
> >
> >> I've seen some manga (?) and artwork from something called IF5... could 
> >> somebody please fill me in on who draws this or what the heck it is (and 
> >
> >It was drawn by someone in Japan, a fan probably. IF5 (including IF6, 7,
> >8, and 9) are doujinshi. We have zines but they're effectivly the same
> >thing, a home-made magazine produced in limited quantities. Some doujinshi
> >is even better than the commercial product itself! 

 They aren't fans! They are what we would call beyond Otaku, a Testujin 
(master)! It's done by Tenchu-Gumi. (I was able to meet Ariyama-san at the 
Comic Revolution last time)
 There's also IF2 and IF3, but this is really limited titles, since they 
are 1)very old and 2)uncensored, not allowed to be sold at comikets. (But 
the storys are a bit short and the book is a bit pricy, but the art works 
might be better than the original... What am I saying!?! NO! Nothing's 
better than the original!!! 
 If you guys mentioned about this earlier, I would have been able to get 
it for you, but unfortuantly, I've already placed my order... (I'm 
getting it for someone else on this ML...) The next order I MIGHT place 
will be sometime at the end of this year, if I have the extra money.

>         These contain generally very good artwork, although very adult in
> nature.  The ones I have usually start with an original manga page (or at
> least very similar to the original manga page) and from there on, anything
> goes.  Some of the scenes are easy to guess.  For example, in vol. 12 of the
> AMG manga, when Peorth "drugs" K1 and it affects his sister, Skuld, and Urd,
> well, I'm sure you can guess.

 that's IF9... Anyway, I was able to get the original story which this 
IF9 is based on. It's a mix of AMG and Aura Seiji's comic called 
...forgot the exact name, but something like "...O-sama" (forgot the "..." 
part.) It came out a long time ago. Anyway, for those of you interested, 
there's supposed to be IF 10 comming out this Summer. (It was supposed to 
be out this winter at the Comiket!!!!! They were behind schedule and now, 
they moved it behind 6 months!!! Oh well, the longer we wait, the better 
the dojinshi should be... I hope. Some Evan gelion Wedding Peach tuff was 
extended for 3 months and it was still crap...)

>         I believe a lot (if not most) of the artwork have already been
> scanned and are available.  But they are definitely not for faint of heart,
> or a fan of Skuld. ^_^;;
> 
> >> if it's good where I can get a copy....)
> >
> >You can't, but you might find it being auctioned off in 
> >rec.arts.anime.merchandise.

 Hope you have lots of money if you're going to the auction...

>         That should be: rec.arts.anime.marketplace
> 
>         It's very rare to see one of these auctioned there however.  If they
> are, they can command quite exorbiant prices.

 I doubt it that it will be auctioned there. It's probably too old. (And 
too good for auction.) Why don't you try asking L.L.Palace for Mail 
order, if you live in Japan. (I think Comic Toranomon and Messe Sano is 
thinking about Mail order, but might be a long time before they actually 
start... In fact, they're not sure if they might even have one at thie 
point.)

						Kenji Shimizu